UPDATES

Well, Amy Got Married - July 01, 2017

Which is why we did not have badminton in June. I think it is a pretty fair reason. Congratulations to her and Chris.

Happy Canada Day.

ABOUT DAMN TIME - for badminton - July 07, 2016

Sorry for the delay in badminton. Due to other things going on and such, I was not prepared to plan badminton, and Mum was not prepared to have you all invade her house.

But we're ready now.

This years' first DBBBL tournament will take place on July 16, at 1pm in Ashley's backyard.

All the usual things apply:
-BYOB. please remember that shooting alcohol must be a minimum of 15%
-SIGN UP. Or you don't get food. Food is served around 6. food sign up closes whenever we go grocery shopping, usually the night before.
-CLOTHING DISAPPEARS. sometimes. during play. just in case you forgot. you may see nipples.


Most important item there is to SIGN UP. Even if you don't plan to eat our food, it helps us prepare for how many people will be present, and how many will be playing. If you do not sign up, or bring friends that haven't signed up, we can USUALLY rearrange things to fit you in if you show up before 5pm. If not, there is often a chance to sub in when people get stupiddrunk.

Rules and SIGN UP will be pinned in the comments.

Last Badminton 2015 - August 29, 2015

Seriously?
I have known for weeks when this event was going to be. Why did nobody make the event!?
...what's that you say? making the events is MY job?
well, farts.
I'm fired.


Anyways. Badminton. Last one of 2015. Standard rules apply. Sign up. Do the things, with the booze and the stuffs.

DAte: sept 19
Time: 1:00 pm
Place: Ashley House
BYOB.
SIGN UP FOR FOOD.

have I missed anything?
sorry.

I Haven't Made This Yet? - June 25, 2015

I did that asking about what day to have it, but then never made the event! Aren't I just a disorganized banana.

Also, Lina and Josh won in June.

Anyways.

July 18.
1pm - Finished
Ashley's House.
regular conditions apply.

Sign Up so you can eat! Read the Rules! Bring Your Own Booze! We're poor and like help, so you're welcome to donate.

Thank you Mush. See you Then.

I LIED! - May 19, 2015

both links are not at the bottom. Obviously. One of them is at the top. Rules is at the bottom. Sign Up at the top.
oh dear. And this is me sober...

It Is Time To Badminton - May 19, 2015

DEAR LORD.
IT IS THAT TIME AGAIN. OMG.
And after much prodding, I finally got an okay for a date out of my mother. It is not that she didn't want us, she loves us really, but she is very indecisive and bad at planning holidays. And I'm leaving most of that part of this write-up thing out of the Facebook post :D

Anyways.

June 13th
1pm
Ashley's House


BYOB. SIGN UP. REVIEW RULES.
...they haven't changed, but it never hurts...
both links are at the bottom of the page. THANK YOU.

Fishing Tournament - August 29, 2014

And by Fishing I mean Badminton.
They're practically the same thing, right?

But it is in fact a Badminton tournament. Just like usual.
The LAST one for 2014. Just one more, then we're done for the year (I know you're all excited about that. These things are such a CHORE).

Anyways, same old same old.

BYOB. You need shooting alcohol, and drinking alcohol. Shooter must be minimum 15%
BYO PHONE CHARGER. Cuz I'm too lazy to dig out cords while drunk.
BYO PANTS. Cuz mine would just look silly on some of you.

oh, and

SIGN UP.
please. For planning, and food. And planning of food.

Date: Saturday, September 13
Time: 1pm - We Finish.
Place: Ashley's House

Begging pot will be out again. Thank you so much, all of you, for your help funding this year. We actually got all 4 in, and that's from you. Thank You!

August Badminton - August 07, 2014

There. A NORMAL, ACCEPTABLE event title. Are we happy? Are we Un-confused?
GOOD.

Sorry about how late this is posting. Honestly. Super DUPER sorry. Will you ever forgive me?
...it's okay. I wouldn't either. I understand. T_T


ANYWAYS.

Badminton.

Date: Saturday, August 16.
Time: 1pm-finish
Place: Ashley's house (blah, ask, blah, etc)

> SIGN UP! signing up let's us arrange food and teams with much greater ease! And if you don't sign up, WE DON'T FEED YOU! Because we make our shopping/cooking list off of the sign up sheet.

>BYOB. please bring your own shooting and drinking alcohols.

>Please Arrange Transportation. If you are not sober and driving, or drunkenly staying over, please make sure you have arranged a ride.

>Please bring own phone chargers. I have a lot of random cords that tend to work, but finding them when drunk is not fun. If you think you will need to charge your phone...bring your charger.



Again, sorry for how late this is being announced, I promise to do better next time. Or I will behead myself (please don't hold me to that)

Claire - June 26, 2014

AKA - JULY BADMINTON.

So As To Annoy Certain People :D


ANYWAYS!!

We're doing it again! Another badminton! Wherein we will drink and sport and be merry!

Date: July 19
Time: 1pm-whenever we finish
Place: Ashley house

BYOB - don't forget to bring your alcohol.
SIGN UP - if you want to eat our food, you need to do this. ALSO, it helps me build the teams, and plan shopping.
HAVE FUN - this is absolutely mandatory. ABSOLUTELY. MANDATORY.

Also, we'll be running the donation jar again. Thanks to everyone who put in, even if it was just a buck or two. It made the last badminton day a lot easier on our budgets! You're all awesome :D

Announcing 2014!! - June 01, 2014

Well, technically, 2014 began about 6 months ago, but the 2014 Death By Booze Badminton season is just beginning.

Day: Saturday, June 14
Time: 1pm - We are DONE!
Place: Ashley's house (if you don't where where it is, just ask!)

BYOB.
Booze for holding, Booze for shooting. Booze for everything.

No rule changes this year, but it's always good to review (the link is at the bottom if you want).

And SIGN UP. Knowing how many people are coming helps us immensely when planning, it is how we put the teams together, and most importantly, IT GETS YOU FOOD.
If you do not sign up, we WILL let you show up, we WILL let you play, but we WILL NOT provide you with BBQ yummies.

Looking forward to seeing you all there! ^_^

July Badminton!! - July 03, 2013

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So, Amy and I made the decision on when to hold this thing DAYS ago, and it just occured to me that maybe, if we want people to show up, I should let YOU know the day as well.
Good Plan, eh?

July 20th. And Mum's gonna be away, so we have to be extra well behaved. I'm putting you all in charge of keeping me(Ashley) in line, kay?

The basics:
1 - BYOB. You need a drinking alcohol (any %), and a shooting alcohol (15% min).
2 - snacks. We may or may not provide chips. If you are absolutely needing these, maybe bring some along.
3 - BBQ. We will provide hamburgers and hotdogs (in set amounts) for those who sign up.
4 - SIGN UP!!! it makes everything easier for us in terms of planning food, teams, EVERYTHING, etc. SIGN UP!!

YES! IT'S FINALLY HERE - complete post! - May 25, 2013

It's finally time for the 2013 Badminton season! OMG JOY LET'S HAVE A PARTY!
...wait! We're having a badminton tourney! That's BETTER than a party!

Anyways. Enough overblown excitement. Let's get down to the nitty gritty details.

DATE: Saturday, June 15, 2013
TIME: 1pm - whenever we finish
PLACE: Ashley's house(if you don't know already, just ask!)

Sign up is required (you see it there? at the top? says "Sign Up"? yeah. there). Read the rules (that one's tricker...they're hiding at the bottom!).
etc etc blah blah blah.
You know the drill.

YES! IT'S FINALLY HERE! - May 25, 2013

It's finally time for the 2013 Badminton season! OMG JOY LET'S HAVE A PARTY!
...wait! We're having a badminton tourney! That's BETTER than a party!

Anyways. Enough overblown excitement. Let's get down to the nitty gritty details.

DATE: Saturday, June 15, 2013
TIME: 1pm - whenever we finish

Results! - September 16, 2012

Sometimes I am quite amazed by my ability to remember my password while I am drunk.

At any rate, another badminton year is complete. Our winners were Josh (again. ...and again...and again) and Aaron (the second person ever to get their name on the cup more than once).
Thank you all for another wonderful year. You've all been awesome, and its been a pleasure hosting you. I hope you are all looking forward to next year as much as I am!

Last Badminton for 2012 - September 04, 2012

okay! Sorry for taking so long to get this posted. While we've had the date in mind since last badminton, I had to convince mother that we needed ONE MORE GO for this year.

That said...You should all know the drill by now!

Sign Up. BYOB. blah blah, etc etc. Rules are on our website.

If you are coming, not playing, and want us to feed you - SIGN UP.
If you are coming, playing, and want us to feed you - SIGN UP.
If you are coming, playing, and bringing your own food - SIGN UP!
if you are coming, not playing, and bringing your own food - DON'T SIGN UP!

We build the teams using the sign up sheet, not the facebook attendance. We only provide hamburgers and hotdogs to those who sign up. PLEASE. use the sign up sheet. Sign up your friends you are bringing with you, or direct them to the sheet.



Date: September 15th
Time: 1:30pm - 1 ish am.
Place: Ashley's house (message for address!)

August Winners! - August 12, 2012

So this month I'm actually sober enough to throw out an immediate post on the event results!
August Badminton was won by Josh LeBlanc and Ashley Jones!
Josh is a multiple winner, and Ashley is now the last of our founders to finally get her name on the trophy! Congrats, and good games to all our participants! We'll see you in September!

August! - July 24, 2012

I forgot to tell you what happened at the last one on this site, and here I am about to tell you the next one! Geez, I'm a terrible poster this year.

July's badminton was won by AprilPhire and her partner, Andy. Most excellently done!

But yes. My main purpose! AUGUST BADMINTON.


As always, you need to bring some booze. Can't have Death by Booze Badminton without booze.
You will need an alcohol for drinking on the court, and a shooter alcohol (minimum 15%).
We will be providing our usual Hamburger/Hot Dog BBQ for those who SIGN UP only (1 hamburger OR 2 hotdogs, OR 1 of each). If those options are not there when you go to sign up, you waited too long! We will remove the HB/HD option from the sign up just before we go shopping. And no matter when you sign up, feel free to bring your own meat, we don't mind cooking it for you.
You are welcome to sleep over if needed.

If you intend to be playing, please arrive no later than 3pm. If you will be arriving after 3pm, we do not guarantee a spot on a team, though you will be welcome to sub in for the injured/over-inebriated.
We have made some minor adjustments to the rules since 2011. Please review. The altered rules have been marked with a !

Details:

Date: Saturday, August 11, 2012
Time: 1:30 PM - Whenever-we-finish AM
If you intend to be playing, please arrive no later than 3pm. If you will be arriving after 3pm, we do not guarantee a spot on a team, though you will be welcome to sub in for the injured/over-inebriated.
Place: Kabetz's house (please message for address)

Please check out our Facebook Event

2012 Season Opener - July 04, 2012

While we did give you a tentative date for the event, we're a little late in confirming it for you, aren't we?

Well, that is exactly what I am here to do. Sorry it's a little short notice, but yes, Our 2012 DBBBL Season Opener will be taking place Saturday July 14th.

* It is, as always, BYOB. You will need an alcohol for drinking on the court, and a shooter alcohol (minimum 15%).
* We will be providing Hamburger/Hot Dog BBQ for attendees who SIGN UP only (1 hamburger OR 2 hotdogs, OR 1 of each). Feel free to bring your own meat, we don't mind cooking it for you.
* You are welcome to sleep over if needed.
* If you intend to be playing, please arrive no later than 3pm. If you will be arriving after 3pm, we do not guarantee a spot on a team, though you will be welcome to sub in for the injured/over-inebriated.
*! We have made some minor adjustments to the rules. Please review. The altered rules have been marked with a !

Details:

Date: Saturday, July 14, 2012
Time: 1:30 PM - Whenever-we-finish AM
If you intend to be playing, please arrive no later than 3pm. If you will be arriving after 3pm, we do not guarantee a spot on a team, though you will be welcome to sub in for the injured/over-inebriated.
Place: Kabetz's house (please message for address)

Please check out our Facebook Event

2011 Closer Results - September 18, 2011

Our season closer was the second largest tourney we've held yet, with 9 pairs playing, and more people there just to watch. It was also our LONGEST event yet, with the finals finishing about 3:30 am.
Thank you so much to everyone for coming out!

That said, a huge congratulations to our winners, Andre and Greg!


Thanks you everyone for another fantastic year of Vodka Badminton. We'll be putting some serious thought and discussion into some rule adjustments for next year, to help prevent things from going as long as they did last night when we have a larger group present (it did start to drag quite a bit, and that shouldn't happen with DBBBL!), and to adjust our general alcohol intake to something that works better for ... less experienced drinkers, so everyone can enjoy the night, without the worry of getting OVERLY STUPIDLY drunk (there's a point where its just not fun, y'know?).

So again, thanks for this year, we hope to see you again next year!

Results! - July 17, 2011

Well, we almost decided not to play after drawing the teams. Josh_LeBlanc and Knuckles_D got paired up together, spelling almost certain doom for everyone else, what with them being two of our best players.

But, we played it out, cuz you never REALLY know what will happen.

We were right though.
Josh and Knuckles came out the winners of our July badminton tournament. Congratulations! Its about time Knuckles got his name on the trophy...he's been working hard for it since we started this thing. Also, great sportsman, and I'd like to give him props for doing a good few extra shots through the night as I got too drunk to do both mine and my partner's shots.

Runners up were Kabetz and Aaron, who made a pretty good showing, but couldn't quite pull the win out. Maybe next time.


Thanks everyone for coming out and playing through the rain, thunder, and lightning.
There will be no August tourney, but we do intend to do our season closer in September as usual. I'll let you know the date once we've worked it out.

Bah! - June 20, 2011

So, we had a pretty good showing for our first badminton this year!
9 teams played, and while everyone played their best, we could only have one team win.

I am pleased to announce that ourfirst DBBBL winners of 2011 are Josh_LeBlanc and Kendra Holmgren! Kendra was brand new to our game, and of course...Josh now has his name on our trophy way too many times. I'm thinking of drugging him next time so someone else has a chance. ^_~
Second place went to Andre and Ayrton, who fell to the lower bracker in their first game, but kicked ass after that to make it to the finals.

I'll have the announcement for the next event up within a couple days! <3 <3

Season Starter Reminder - June 05, 2011

Hallo All!
Its a mere two weeks until the big day! Who's excited!?
Hopefully all of you who are planning to attend answered yes.

On that note, a few reminders for those who will be attending (we've got some newbies coming, so this will be new info for you, so please read carefully!):

First off, if you haven't done so already, please sign up! It helps us to plan how much food we need to buy, and nobody misses out on delicious noms. Also lets me know how many people I can expect to have passed out at my house overnight.

- Sign Up Here!

- BYOB! You need to bring alcohol to hold/drink while playing, and for shooting. The alcohol to shoot MUST be a minimum of 15% alc/vol.
If you do not want to travel with alcohol, you have until NEXT Saturday (June 11th) to get money to either myself or AprilFire so we can pick it up for you in advance.

- If you are driving, and planning to drink, please be prepared to hand your keys over to Grail for safekeeping until he deems you sober enough to drive.

- Please review the Rules. We are playing tournament rules, which are listed toward the bottom of the linked page. Thank you.

- Its a double knockout doubles tournament. Partners will be assigned MOSTLY randomly. Drinking players can have either a drinking or non-drinking partner. Non-drinking players MUST have a drinking partner. Partners of non-drinking players are required to do their partner's shots (as with all our drinking rules, once you are completely trashed, required shots/drinks become at the referees discretion).

- This one usually sneaks up on people because its not official game rules, but we play a Party Rule of "You spill, You (or your drinking partner) shoot". If at any time, on court or off, you spill your drink, you are required to take a shot. We recommend your holding drink be in a bottle to help prevent spills. You cannot use capped bottles, or sport sealed bottles (ex. Gatorate/Powerade bottles).

- We're playing RAIN OR SHINE.

Any questions? Send a message to Kabetz or AprilFire.


Thanks for reading, we hope to see you there!

2011 Season Starter! - May 27, 2011

Thats Right!
I said hopefully soon, and hopefully with a date, and here I am! A mere 2 days later, with the event announcement for our first Death By Booze Badminton tournament of 2011.


Day: Saturday June 18th, 2011
Time: 1:00pm - We're finished.
Where: Kabetz' house (message Kabetz for full address).


SIGN UP

We're still providing the food, but like last year, you will have to provide your own alcohol. Bring yourself something to drink while playing, and a shooting alcohol.
If lugging booze all the way out to Langley is far too awkward (which I can totally understand, if you are coming via transit), I'm willing to pick it up for you if you ask. If you do choose to use this method, please ask and have money to me no later than June 11th.

You will notice that I have provided (as always) our handy dandy sign up sheet. Please, please, please fill out the form if you intend to come! It lets us know how many people to expect, and thusly how much food we will need.
Thank you very much, and we look forward to seeing you there!

Semptember 18 Results - September 23, 2010

Sorry for the late update here! I remembered to update the RT group while I was completely tanked on Saturday night, but I wasn't quite coordinated enough to remember TWO SEPERATE WEBSITES. And I've been doing that one longer.

At any rate, here is how it went:

LBCountry and Fungster won!
Quite well, too. They played fantastically. It was an epic battle for the win.


The day turned out sunny (the evening/night was another matter entirely), and we had wonderful attendance. It was great seeing everyone there, whether they were playing or not. There were some DAMN good games played, even before the finals. In the pouring rain no less, when we got to the end. It was impressive, and wonderfully fun.

It was a great end to our badminton season. I hope to see everyone next year! :D

Final Badminton 2010 - September 07, 2010

Date: September 18, 2010 (saturday)
Time: 1pm-we finish
Where: Amy's house (contact for address)



Its a sad day. The day I announce the FINAL DBBBL tournament of the year.
That's right. Last time this year to get smashingly drunk and potentially win our fabulous little tournament.

Its BYOB again, though we do still have a bit of beer left over from last time. We don't have ANY shooters though, so don't forget to bring your own shooting alcohol. Some people may be willing to share, but you really are supposed to provide your own shooter.
We're still providing hot dogs and burgers.

We've made a couple updates to the rules, so check them out.

And, as always, Please Sign Up!!

Results, August 2010 - August 22, 2010

Another successful night!

As I like to explain it, the goal is to get drunk and badminton is just a side effect. Once again, we successfully reached that goal. And once again, we ended up with winners of our incidental badminton tournament.

Congrats to Josh_LeBlanc and DemonAkasha for winning our August tournament. That's two in a row for mr Josh_LeBlanc...he should be very proud.
It was a great night, everyone played really well. Knuckles_D and lukemckay made an excellent showing, fighting hard for their second place standing. The rest of us...well, we were there. And drunk. Exactly as we should be. And now I've had the honour of passing that on to you all, I'm going to go pass out now. Exactly as I should.

Goodnight.



...oh yes.

We intend to do a September one again, for our final of this year. I will, of course, let everyone know if and when that is happening once AprilFire and myself sort it out.

Reminders for the Tourney - August 17, 2010

SIGN UP SHEET



DAY: Saturday, August 21
TIME: 1PM-1AM/whenever
PLACE: Aprilfire's house (ask for address)



BYOB - unfortunately, we're broke. You will need holding and shooting alcohol.



If you're driving and intend to drink, you WILL hand your keys over to our sober enforcer upon arriving. When you are ready to leave, you will receive your keys back on their judgement.

We have room for people to sleep over.



QUESTION: Should we still do jello shots? email or tweet us your opinion!

August Is A GO! - July 30, 2010

Right-o.



For those of you in Vancouver who don't use Facebook but instead follow us here, I come bearing news of our next event. You're overjoyed, I'm sure.



August 21st, 1pm-We're done
AprilFires's house (ask for address)



As we mentioned last news post, we can't afford to supply all the beer this time, so it is BYOB. However, we are still reasonable; if you cannot bring your alcohol with you for whatever reason, if you make arrangements and payment with AprilFire by the 13th, we will buy it for you. We're working on an easy way to make that payment, and hope to have it available for you shortly.



We are still providing you with hamburgers and hotdogs. Cuz we're awesome like that.



In other news, there are now a million more ways to keep track of us! You can like us on Facebook!, follow us on twitter (we're kinda slow and boring, but we're there!), and we have a website, but its in improvement/construction stage, so I'm not linking it right now. You can find our interim one through our facebook though.



and, as always, FILL OUT OUR FORM IF YOU'RE COMING!

No Go For July - July 07, 2010

Hey Hey to our Vancouver (BC) players! I have half an apology to make. Aprilfire and I had sort of said that we would try to do a Badminton each month this summer. The 'try' is why I'm only half apologizing for the fact that we will not be able to get one going for July. We just don't have the time. We will DEFINITELY be doing one in August though. Don't know date yet, but we will do one.



Also, I would like to say that ALOT of people came to our June tourney! It was AWESOME, and I hope that we see most of you out at the next one.



However, on that note: that is a lot of people to buy beer for. ^^; We were wondering if you would be terribly offended if for the next one we asked if you would either chip in to our beer fund, or do a fully BYOB? Between the alcohol for the jello shots,the beer, and the food, we severely depleted poor Aprilfire's bank account (I'm unfortunately unemployed, so I couldn't help nearly as much as I wanted to), and while we love being generous...well, life's expensive, as I'm sure you are all aware ^_^

Let us know, either in comments here or message us!



Thank you so much. <3 <3

2010's First Winners! - June 27, 2010

First off, I want to thank everyone for coming out! We had our best turn out yet, and everyone was simply fantastic! It was unfortunately a little slower going than we usually like, since we only had one of our courts set up, but even just the hanging out was super awesome. Our plan of starting early to avoid the late night didn't turn out quite as we planned, due to the fact we attempted a double knock out fomat instead of our usual single knock out, for the first time, but all in all I think it went pretty well.



That said, I have to congratulate our first Vodka Badminton champions of 2010, Josh_LeBlanc and unkowngamer!



I'll try to get some our pics up tomorrow in our forum (yes, it will be a facebook link...live with it :P) and I hope to update you all soon on when we will be holding our next event!



Once again, thank you to everyone for coming out, and thanks to Aprilfire and Grail for the work they put in setting this up. ^_^

Reminders For Saturday! - June 23, 2010

It looks long, but I kept it simple. Please read, these are important.


SIGN UP SHEET

GAME RULES - Playing Tournament Rules.


Time: Saturday, June 26 1:30pm - We're done.

Where: Aprilfire's house. send message to Aprilfire or Kabetz if you need the address or directions.


REMINDER:

We provide cheap beer and jello shots (3 equals 1 game-required shot). YOU provide your shooting alcohol and any alternate drink you would like.


QUESTION:

Is anyone on the attending list that does NOT intend to play badminton?

QUESTION:

Are you attending and not drinkig alcohol? we will have limited soda available for non-drinkers.


On both those points, we assume everyone will be PLAYING and DRINKING unless they tell otherwise.


REMINDER:

Pairings will be drawn, and rules state that non-drinkers must have a drinking partner, so we gotta know who's allowed to be paired with whom. Thank you.


QUESTION:

Who is expecting to sleep over? Its not a problem, but if we know, we know how many blankets we need and stuff.


YOU MUST KNOW THIS:

If you drive and are not down as not drinking, you will hand your keys to Grail. No objections, no exceptions. You get your keys back on his judgement.
With that in mind, see previous QUESTION.


REMINDER:

The house is easy to get to by transit, and I'm sure we can bribe sober people (there will be at least one) to drive you home if you need it. Or bring cab fare. ^_^


See you Saturday!

Let's Drink Some Badminton! - June 10, 2010

We're giving it a start. Oh yes we are.


Given that is it almost, sorta, kinda pretending to become summer (in typical BC liquid-sunshine fashion), we are pleased to announce the start of the 2010 Vodka Badminton season!


As always, we're sorry our out of district members can't be here for the fun, but we encourage everyone to set up their own drunken Badminton nights. And if you do, please share! We'd love to know how other people pull these off ^_^


So. Our local event:


We're starting a little earlier for this one, in the hopes of causing slightly less late-night neighbourhood disturbance, but I hope that you guys will still be out and willing. Let us know if this is a problem...I'm sure we can negotiate.


It'll be from 1:30 pm until whenever, Saturday June 26 at Aprilfire's house/yard. As usual, we will provide hot dogs, hamburger, and plenty of cheap beer (Kokanee), but anything else is up to you to provide (such as your shooting alcohol, mixes, or different beer).


And, as always, we have a facebook event, and our ever fantastic sign up sheet. The sign up is an especially helpful planning tool for us, so PLEASE! even if you don't join the facebook event, if you want/intend to come please fill the form out for us? Thanks ever so!


Hope to see everyone there! :D

Get Ready! - April 14, 2010

Cuz Here We Come.



Spring and summer are approaching, and tomorrow Josh and I are starting to clean up the yard and set up the court.


Vancouver members of Vodka Badminton - start warming up, stocking the beer, and practicing your shots (yes, both kinds!), cuz the season's coming 'round again!